The door burst open into the dark room. I was under my desk in the corner, behind my rolling chair. I couldn’t see their faces, but I could see five uniforms behind five guns aimed at my racing heart. I could hear their rapid-fire shouting just fine.
“Hailey police! Get off the floor! Get off the floor! Hands up! Freeze! Hands up! I said hands up! Freeze!”
I don’t know how fast or slow it happened, but I was off the floor, my hands were up, and I couldn’t move even if I wanted.
“Who are you? Why are you in this room? Who are you? Why are you in here?”
Finally, one of them asked me, “Are you a teacher?”
He stepped close enough that I could see his face. I’d seen this officer around—a young guy who thought he might have just captured a school shooter.
“Yeah,” I said. “I’m a teacher.”
It was my prep period when the intercom system announced the lockdown, and I was working at my desk. I locked my door, turned off the lights, and pulled the blinds just like we had done in our drills. Then I continued working.
When a half-hour passed, and I heard police checking the bathrooms on the other side of the wall, I knew it wasn’t a drill, and I got under my desk.
I sent a text message to my wife: “Lockdown at the middle school. No details yet, but it’s not a drill.”
She responded right away: “Yikes. Keep me posted. Be careful. Love you.”
Minutes later, she wrote, “Don’t be a hero. Get out.”
She had heard sirens. There were helicopters and ambulances and police in the street.
I’m by myself in my room. I can hear the resource officers checking the bathrooms.
“Well, if you hear anything, break the window and get out of there.”
It was a warm, sunny day. I thought I’d be taking a quick walk outside, but as the bell transitioned from my prep period to lunch, I remained huddled under my desk. Now I was thinking I might run. I didn’t need to break the window. I could open it, pull out the screen, slip out easily into the daylight, and run home.
We often hear the same arguments about school shootings, about arming teachers, or at least allowing us the option.
“Teachers need to step up and protect our most sacred treasure—the children!”
“Teachers need to take responsibility instead of waiting while the police do their job for them!”
“Teachers need to understand that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!”
A principal I worked with, at a different school in a different state, kept a gun strapped behind his lower lumbar. He encouraged us to follow suit.
He said, “I want them to know that if they’re firing at us, we’re firing back!”
Back then, I didn’t fire back with opinions, but after those police busted into my classroom ready to shoot, I’m glad I wasn’t standing there with a gun. I’m glad they hadn’t come in to see me fleeing the scene. I’m glad to be alive. Those good guys with guns had no idea that I wasn’t the bad guy.
“How did you know about the lockdown?” an officer asked.
“The intercom system,” I said.
“Did you hear any gunshots?”
“No,” I replied.
“OK,” he said. They promptly left the room, closing the door behind them.
Some kid had popped a balloon.
Keith Wilson is an English teacher at Wood River Middle School. The school was locked down on May 17 during a police response, when the sound of a balloon popping was mistaken for a gunshot.
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C'monsense (sic) and Chuck Christopher are political cowards, and that's just for starters. They'd gladly lap the Pavlovian vomit of McConnell and Cruz off the floor of the Senate chamber if they were asked to do so. In a period of ten days this month, forty-four people were murdered in mass shootings. The political cowardice of a large portion of our elected leadership, not to mention the two jokers we're dealing with here, doesn't just strain moral credibility, it obliterates any shred of common sense.
These two small town Idaho sociopaths don't express a word of public sympathy, much less empathy, for the nineteen children who were executed in that Uvalde classroom. The images of the children who died, many of them smiling, don't seem to impinge on their stunted little minds, much less their hearts. And that shooting in Buffalo was racially motivated, carried out in a supermarket on an ordinary spring day. Did those people deserve to die because they were Black? Huh? You two are a couple of 'effing punks.
Anybody incapable of seeing that a military-style weapon doesn't belong in the hands of a demented 18-year old Texas
d--ckhead capable of shooting his grandmother in the face is not just a political coward, he (or she) is an embarrassment to the human race. Your sons and daughters, family members and friends could easily be the next victims. The chances of that happening in this state (if not in Ketchum) are statistically rising. Let's be honest here.
Between 1991 and 2016, gun-homicide rates in states with more permissive carry policies were eleven per cent higher than in states with stricter laws. The probability of mass shootings increased by fifty-three per cent in states with more gun ownership (cf. Emma Fridel, Florida State University). Texas has more than eight thousand gun dealers, and thirty-seven per cent of its population owns firearms. The Uvalde murders happened regardless.
Texas has more than eight thousand gun dealers and roughly thirty-seven per cent of the population owns firearms. That did not prevent the Uvalde murders. Last year, Governor Greg Abbott signed a bill allowing most Texans to carry handguns without a license or mandatory training. Brad Little is in bed with Greg Abbot. Smooth move, governor.
No, these two brain-dead Second Amendment fundamentalists we're dealing with here in the IME comments section are pitiful. At some point, the gun laws will start to change in this country and these two local reptiles will crawl into their bunkers and disappear. Good riddance boys.
You aren't a serious person and do not care about preventing death if you only want to talk about guns which even you would agree provide no immediate solution but refuse to discuss immediate solutions.
I can`t imagine any of my teachers armed, as first responders in a rapid response situation.
I can't imagine what it would be like, to be told, you can't protect yourself
Old Mrs. Dockstader with a GlocK?
Look at the rest of the world and get back to us. What we have here is truly American exceptionalism at its worst
Kilgore, so it's bad if you want the right to protect yourself ?
Rights come with responsibilities.
How would background checks, red flag laws and commonsense restrictions impede your "right to defend yourself?"
It does if you WANT that right. Badger, why are you such an idiot ?
.....like talking sundials with a bat.
Better move to Chicago, Andy Pandy, where you can feel safe. They have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Oh, but you don't want to deal with facts. Just your delusions.
The sad part of this is the left is so set on exciting people with gun control that isn't going to happen. Maybe they can raise the legal age to buy a gun from a dealer to 21 but nothing has happened with ghost guns. Do a search for "80% lower" and you find a hundred people selling them with no paperwork required. We already have background checks at a dealer but they will never get background checks for private sales.
It seems the left always wants to shelter the mental health of this country. Give drug addicts free methadone and a safe place to shoot up. Give the homeless enough money to stay high all month. Kill womens sports. Support BLM that doesn't do anything to help black people. And they will continue to give small children mind altering drugs and wonder why children are so angry they go into a school and shoot it up.
A gun doesn't make someone all of a sudden shoot a school, what is going on that makes someone be so angry at the world to do this ?
9 dead in 14 mass shootings over the weekend. Darn those psychotropic drugs.
Hey Chuck. Good job. You know you are making clear arguments when these brain damaged lefties ignore your facts and start the personal attacks. They think their insults mean something. Instead, it just reveals their shallowness and insufficiency. And for the record, when I refer to "brain damage," that is not so much an insult as a simple observation. They can't follow a logic train of their own comments most of the time, let alone try to understand facts outside of their own echo chamber.
The number one priority in this discussion is school safety. The dem party leaders are blocking a bill in Congress that would address it, but these idiots here don't even mention it except to say they don't want schools turning into security zones. I guess they never fly anywhere these days. And Biden is more concerned with changing Title IX than he is with stopping school shootings. Our Dementia President thinks the best thing he can do for school children is to link school funding with using confusing pronouns, promoting trans boys competing in girls sports, and making sure biological boys can use the girls bathroom. Any parents who speak out at their school board meetings against these atrocities will be put on the Domestic Terrorist Watchlist.
Here's an idea. How about you insane lefties stay busy with your Rainbow Parades and leave the rest of us to the actual problem solving. In just one short year of your dem autocracy in our federal gov't, you have ruined our economy, ruined our border security, ruined our military and ruined our police force. You have increased poverty for American families, increased racism, increased drug cartels and sex trafficking. You have ruined our health with twice as many covid deaths as what occurred in the first year of the outbreak. Nothing you are doing is working, except to promote communism over freedom. Get out of the way and go back to your puzzle games.
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GARBAGE!!!! When I refer to as jello brain jerk is not a personal attack it's an observation. Absolutely everything you say is a flat out distortion or a lie.
Is this the Chuck who lives way out East Fork.
I've got a better idea Chuck, head north out of Lewiston and try to get your head straightened out in Canada. Good luck trying to get your guns across the border though. Sell'em for the gas money, you'll be better off.
Canada freezes the sale of hand guns and puts a five-round limit on magazines. The US is a miserable third-world country when it comes to gun legislation. The GOP senators are being pitiful, cowardly, and irresponsible. Ultimately their lack of action is murderous to the citizens they purport to serve but too many of them are whores for the gun lobbies. theguardian.com/world/2022/may/31/handgun-freeze-in-canada-and-five-round-limit-on-magazines
The NRA doesn't even make the top ten lobby groups, But the suppliers of psychotropic drugs are the number one lobby group in the USA.
I think we can now definitively say that @Chuck Christopher is our local Village Idiot.
@Chuck Christopher, I'd recommend you get a prescription for Donepezil. Forget the psychotropics man, you're not stable enough, or intelligent enough, unfortunately.
“At least 14 mass shootings have taken place across the United States since Tuesday, from California to Arizona to Tennessee.
This Memorial Day weekend alone — spanning Saturday, Sunday and the federal holiday on Monday — there have been at least 11 mass shootings.
These incidents, gleaned from local news reports and police statements, meet the threshold for mass shootings as defined by the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit research organization.
GVA defines a mass shooting as one in which “four or more people are shot or killed, not including the shooter.” Several of those shootings occurred at parties, and one at a Memorial Day event.
At least seven people have been killed and 49 injured in the mass shootings over the holiday weekend, according to GVA and local news sources. Since the Uvalde shooting last Tuesday, at least 10 people have been killed and 61 were injured in mass shootings.” washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/30/mass-shootings-memorial-day-weekend-taft-chattanooga-uvalde/
Your comments are just like all the comments BLM makes, they say, "4000 black people get shot in Chicago every year-All Cops Are Bad (ACAB)" and then all these young idiots run around painting ACAB all over their towns. And then you look up the numbers and YEAH 4000 black people did got shot, 3988 were black people running around Chicago shooting each other and 12 people got shot by the cops.Here is a story from NPR on children getting shot 65% homicides 35% suicides and the smallest % was mass shootings.
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/22/1094364930/firearms-leading-cause-of-death-in-children
It was predictable that you were a few posts away from exhibiting your racism.
here ya go the numbers are real, what was racist ?
https://heyjackass.com/category/chicago-crime-2021/
So far this weekend in Chicago 45 shot 8 dead, year to date 1210 shot and 222 shot dead with 8 shootings from the police.
Donald Trump has nothing left but spite, and try to have some pity for poor Chuck.
washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/30/trump-cheney-2024-strategy-spite/
Stop giving kids the psychotropic drugs and mass murders will stop.
Psychotropic drugs is added to the list of bogus causes that includes video games, insecure schools, social media, and mental illness. All are used and available in other countries that don’t have the level of US gun violence. What is it that they don’t have? Guns. Yemen matches the US in mass shootings and guess what? They’re second in the world in gun ownership per capita
Why is suicide one of the side effects when taking psychotropic drugs ? We all know it ends up with, I forgot to take one yesterday so I will take two today. The AR15 has been here for 50+ years but the drugs to children started about the same time as the mass shootings.
https://www.healio.com/news/psychiatry/20181119/prescribed-access-to-psychotropic-drugs-linked-to-suicide-method-choice
The USA gives out more psychotropic drugs than any other country https://www.wku.edu/news/articles/index.php?view=article&articleid=490&return=archive
https://rehabs.com/pro-talk/psychiatric-medications-kill-more-americans-than-heroin/
GARBAGE!
“ The USA gives out more psychotropic drugs than any other country ” . We consume more red dye 40, too. Yeah that’s the ticket! Nothing to do with over the counter assault weapons and ammunition or high capacity magazines. It’s all that red dye 40 that we’re eating.
In 1994 when the assault weapon ban began, and mass shootings dropped as a result, there were 400,000 AR-15 style weapons in private hands. Since Bush allowed the ban to lapse, there are now 20,000,000. Yeah, it’s psychotropic drugs that are to blame
Your logic suggests that every mass murderer was on drugs.
“Guns are now the leading cause of death for kids in America": theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/29/us-mass-shootings-democrats-republicans-gun-safety-laws
Yearly suicides by firearm USA= 24,000 (inc. 4,4000 vets and 3,100 youth)
In this short video, Ted Cruz gets a dose of his own medicine while having dinner after his NRA speech. A despicable pustule of a human being: https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1530503526924918784
That wave goodbye at the end of the video speaks volumes about the man's (lack of) character.
Lefties; You want a license for guns (which already exists by the way), but actively FIGHT against a license to VOTE? Very strange. Don't worry though. I won't ask for your rationals because I have given up on your ability to think logically.
Protect children. Increase school security. Stop sending $50B to Ukraine. Take care of our own citizens first.
What is so "logical" about 350 million Americans with machine guns?
Laugh out loud funny. Bunny-badger illustrates my point. Lefties have been subjected to so much media programing and lack of oxygen from mask wearing for 2 years that their brains are actually damaged. Your argument here is that every adult is going to buy a machine gun? And population of USA is 330M, by the way. Maybe you're counting Biden's illegals streaming across the border? They're not Americans.
The population of Boston in 1776 was twice what Hailey is today.
And what common sense is there to 150 million handguns?
There have been 3 mass shootings so far in the US this year. Last year there were 6, the year before two. Yet there are nearly 400 million privately owned firearms in America owned and operated safely by law abiding citizens. Please show us how the number of firearms has anything to do with the number of mass shootings.
Huh? Wake up! There have been 214 mass shootings thus far in 2022 (4or more people shot or killed). There have been 27 school shootings
More Jello for brains garbage!
The word is "rationales" you small-minded cretin, not "rationals", a category under which you definitely do NOT fall, by the way, lest you're under the mistaken impression that you're thinking logically with that pinheaded comment. Self-deception comes in many forms.
Chuck Christopher, did you actually say that guns haven't changed in 50 years? I must be mistaken and if so, I apologize. Clearly, there have been substantial changes in firearm technology in the last 50 years. As a gun enthusiast (I assume) you know this is true:
1. Semi-automatic weapons were being manufactured but military grade weapons were not widely available, and a gun used by the Uvalde shooter, the Daniel Defense DDM4 Rifle, is more easily transported and concealed than anything available a half century ago. Look it up, you'll see what I'm talking about.
2. The retail price of that weapon is $2000. It is considered a high-end product; that price in equivalent dollars 50 years ago would have been prohibitive to the average 18-yr old punk.
3. Magazines with today’s capacity were not available to civilians 50 years ago and the Uvalde shooter was carrying a lot of loaded magazines. Would an 18-yr old 50 years ago have been able to acquire them? Maybe, but with no Internet it would have been exponentially more difficult without attracting attention.
4. Ghost guns and 3-D printed guns were obviously non-existent 50 years ago.
5. The sheer number of guns available at retail outlets and the number of retail outlets themselves 50 years ago were a fraction of what they are today and there was no Internet to facilitate their online research procurement.
C’mon man, smarten up, you’re not just not that stupid, I know. However, I do personally think you’re being willfully ignorant for the sake of clinging to an outmoded, imbecilic, primitively rationalized right-wing ideology. The “Lefty’s” you denigrate are far from perfect but on this issue they are far more evolved and practically minded, especially when it comes to advocating background checks. The US has Third World status on this issue and that intellectual amoeba, Mitch McConnell, has a lot to do with it, as does that miserable bi-pedal excrescence, Ted Cruz and their despicably putrid, single-celled organism of a washed up loser, Donald Trump.
Colt Firearms purchased the rights to the AR15 from Armalite in 1959. They sold full auto to the military and started selling semiautomatic to civilians in 1964. You are 100% wrong-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15
Andrew May 28, 2022 2:46pm
C'monsense says: “Think for a moment about why most gun owners are not trusting of anti-gun politicians trying to take their guns away”. Note the "take the guns away". This is a mindless, knee-jerk cliché. None of his “flawed lib gun laws” being proposed by his “lefty politicians” who “don't want this problem to be solved” have the word “confiscate” in them. Can you say “background checks”? Also, “the 2nd”, as you glibly term it, does have the phrase “well-regulated” in it and it's there for a reason. It's an operative term in the amendment. Open your narrow little mind.
The good people who wrote the Second Amendment most definitely did not intend to guarantee an environment where an 18-year who had previously indicated his intent to do harm could use an easily procured semi-automatic weapon to shoot his grandmother in the face and then casually drive over to a local school and use that same weapon to murder 19 children and two teachers in a classroom.
In 1886, the Supreme Court's first hearing on the subject in (Presser v. Illinois), the Court held that the Second Amendment prevented the states from “prohibit[ing] the people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security.” None of the people killed in Uvalde were a threat to public security.
In 1929, the Supreme Court cited the Second Amendment's in protecting of the right of individuals “to defend our government against all enemies whenever necessity arises is a fundamental principle of the Constitution” and held that “the common defense was one of the purposes for which the people ordained and established the Constitution.” Those children at the Uvalde school were not enemies of the State, nor were they a threat.
In 2008, in District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court ruled in a narrow 5–4 majority held that self-defense was the “central component” of the Second Amendment and that the District of Columbia’s “prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense” to be unconstitutional. The people murdered in Uvalde were not an "immediate threat" to the murderer, nor were the two scenes of those murders the gunman’s home.
In 2010, Supreme Court ruled in McDonald v. Chicago with a 5–4 majority that “the right to possess a handgun in the home for the purpose of self-defense” is applicable to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment’s dud process clause...note the words "a hand gun”, not a semi-automatic weapon.
No, “C’monsense is anything but that with this repulsive, puerile and disingenuous statement “When was the last time we had a NRA mass murderer? Oh,... NEVER!” The most significant factor in the Uvalde tragedy was the ease with which the perpetrator had access to his gun. Until enough gutless GOP politicians get the cajones to authorize background checks, the killings will continue. Will things get better if they do that? No. It might take two generations to turn the tide of the mass sociological conditioning against this tsunami of violence, but we must start somewhere. We must start with some level-leaded, practical controls.
If you take the proposals by Cruz, Patrick and others literally, they amount to a call for turning “The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave” into a giant armed camp. There are around 130,000 K-12 schools in America; there are close to 40,000 supermarkets; there are innumerable venues that offer opportunities for mass killers. Protecting all these public spaces Republican-style would require creating a heavily armed, military-style domestic defense force, heavily armed because it would face attackers with body armor and semiautomatic weapons. It would be at least as big as the Marine Corps. C'monsense, wake up! You're being an 'effing idiot.
What if Republicans helped make it as difficult to get a gun as they want to make it to get an abortion? What if it were as difficult to get a gun as it is to get a driver’s license in this country?
C'monsense and Chuck Christopher, they were children, a grandmother and two female teachers, you 'effing imbeciles. Pull your heads out.
Why do you never put the blame on the shooter ?
You never blame the drug addict, lets just give him some free methadone.
You glorify BLM and blame the cops.
Video games are never questioned.
Social media will kick you off for saying anything they set up in their algorithms but if someone says they are going to shoot a school nothing happens. And this happens everytime.
This is a way bigger problem than blaming the gun. I have a gun and it has never jumped up and started shooting.
I most definitely do blame the shooter, you idiot, and needless to say, the bullets would never have left the chamber if that 18-yr old deranged little sh_thead didn't have a trigger to pull after he broadcast what his intentions were to the online world. Wake the F---k up man! https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/28/texas-gunman-threats-behavior
We had the same guns 50 years ago. The gun hasn't changed-
Other countries have the same, but a micro fraction of the gun deaths and mass killings. There is a linear relationship with the number of guns and gun deaths between countries and between states. It’s the guns.
Kilgore , we had the same guns 50 years ago, it is the liberal policies that have driven the bus off the cliff. Society has changed
The words in the last paragraph are largely taken verbatim from an article by Paul Krugman, Nobel Laureate, in a May 27 New York Times article entitled "The G.O.P. War on Civil Virtue". cf. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/opinion/republicans-guns-uvalde.html?searchResultPosition=2
opinion article ? do those mean anything ?
@ CC "What makes the AR15 a military weapon," Because it was design to kill people.
Your such a troll, you'd say anything to "own the lib's" I think you'd elect a pedophile just to "own the lib's".
All guns are basically designed to kill. So all guns are military weapons ?
No, but all guns are banned at the NRA convention currently underway in Houston. Can you please walk me through that reasoning?
That would be smart, Ha !
I fail to see any humor in this topic, CC
Maybe if you use your real name we can have a discussion, until then deal with it-
When was the last time you anti-gun folks read the 2nd Amendment? "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The highest purpose for guaranteeing gun ownership is to fight the tyranny of corrupt gov't. Let that sink in for a moment. It's not about hunting and hand guns and self defense. The 2nd is about being able to fight corrupt Feds, like the FBI agents being exposed by the Durham indictments that conspired with the Clinton-Coup attempt to overthrow the democratically elected President Trump. "A well regulated Militia..." are the very first words in the 2nd; not, "Hunting and Self-Defense..."!
Think for a moment about why most gun owners are not trusting of anti-gun politicians trying to take their guns away. If it wasn't for the lucky chance of an amazing attorney and a supportive family and community, Kyle Rittenhouse would be one of those brave Americans who would be denied the right to bear arms and be in prison for defending his life. The liberal corrupt press conveniently lie about the fact that the three men Kyle killed in self-defense were violent criminals and one was a convicted child sex abuser. You libs are being played.
At this very moment, as you all write your opinions, ex-Proud Boys leader, Henry Tarrio, is being held in jail awaiting trial for Jan 6th. He has already been in prison without trial for over 2 years. Tarrio is accused of being a white supremacist by our fed gov't, yet he is a Latino Black man. How does that work? This is another American that would be denied gun ownership by the fed gov't if these flawed lib gun laws are passed. All he did is organize his group to show up at the protest. He was not involved in any violence whatsoever. As a matter of fact, the only person who was killed in the Jan 6th protest was a heroic war veteran. She was non-aggressive unarmed and shot by law enforcement. A few moments before she was killed, she was conversing amicably with other law enforcement officers guarding the door.
When was the last time we had a NRA mass murderer? Oh,... NEVER! When are you libs going to wake up? School shootings are a security and mental health issue. Your lefty politicians don't want this problem to be solved. They want the votes and campaign money. That's why these tragedies keep going on and on and on.
The dems have "Defunded The Police" as they promised they would. Yet now they want you to believe it was republicans who came up with that idea. The dems have released violent criminals out of prison yet they want to take away our ability to protect ourselves. The DOJ and FBI are corrupt. Check out the fake Michigan Governor supposed kidnapping. It was orchestrated by FBI agents and the case was thrown out of court. Check out the parents AG Garland put on the Domestic Terrorist Watchlist for speaking out at school board meetings against Critical Race Theory, transgender education of kindergartners and covid lockdowns of their children.
Armed law abiding citizens are a blessing to our society.
“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment right is not unlimited…. [It is] not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.” -Antonin Scalia
“The Gun Lobby’s interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.” -Chief Justice Warren Burger (conservative)
“ The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies – the militia – would be maintained for the defense of the state.”-Warren Burger
“The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires.“—Warren Burger
The 2nd is about being able to fight corrupt Feds, like the FBI agents being exposed by the Durham indictments that conspired with the Clinton-Coup "attempt to overthrow the democratically elected President Trump. "A well regulated Militia..." are the very first words in the 2nd; not, "Hunting and Self-Defense..."!" Again he let's his desire to overthrow the country with violence show. These people are the American Taliban, they are traitors- anti- Americans intent on over throwing a duly elected government, if they can't win elections they'll break out their AK-47's in the name of Jesus.
"democratically elected President Trump". BS, do you get up every morning and have big bowl of lies and BS, sprinkled with generous amounts of hate and bigotry?
C'monsense says: “Think for a moment about why most gun owners are not trusting of anti-gun politicians trying to take their guns away”. Note the "take the guns away". This is a mindless, knee-jerk cliché. None of his “flawed lib gun laws” being proposed by his “lefty politicians” who “don't want this problem to be solved” have the word “confiscate” in them. Can you say “background checks”? Also, “the 2nd”, as you glibly term it, does have the phrase “well-regulated” in it and it's there for a reason. It's an operative term in the amendment. Open your narrow little mind.
The good people who wrote the Second Amendment most definitely did not intend to guarantee an environment where an 18-year who had previously indicated his intent to do harm could use an easily procured semi-automatic weapon to shoot his grandmother in the face and then casually drive over to a local school and use that same weapon to murder 19 children and two teachers in a classroom.
In 1886, the Supreme Court's first hearing on the subject in (Presser v. Illinois), the Court held that the Second Amendment prevented the states from “prohibit[ing] the people from keeping and bearing arms, so as to deprive the United States of their rightful resource for maintaining the public security.” None of the people killed in Uvalde were a threat to public security.
In 1929, the Supreme Court cited the Second Amendment's in protecting of the right of individuals “to defend our government against all enemies whenever necessity arises is a fundamental principle of the Constitution” and held that “the common defense was one of the purposes for which the people ordained and established the Constitution.” Those children at the Uvalde school were not enemies of the State, nor were they a threat.
In 2008, in District of Columbia v. Heller, the Supreme Court ruled in a narrow 5–4 majority held that self-defense was the “central component” of the Second Amendment and that the District of Columbia’s “prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense” to be unconstitutional. The people murdered in Uvalde were not an "immediate threat" to the murderer, nor were the two scenes of those murders the gunman’s home.
In 2010, Supreme Court ruled in McDonald v. Chicago with a 5–4 majority that “the right to possess a handgun in the home for the purpose of self-defense” is applicable to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment’s dud process clause...note the words "a hand gun”, not a semi-automatic weapon.
No, “C’monsense is anything but that with this repulsive, puerile and disingenuous statement “When was the last time we had a NRA mass murderer? Oh,... NEVER!” The most significant factor in the Uvalde tragedy was the ease with which the perpetrator had access to his gun. Until enough gutless GOP politicians get the cajones to authorize background checks, the killings will continue. Will things get better if they do that? No. It might take two generations to turn the tide of the mass sociological conditioning against this tsunami of violence, but we must start somewhere. We must start with some level-leaded, practical controls.
If you take the proposals by Cruz, Patrick and others literally, they amount to a call for turning “The Land of the Free and Home of the Brave” into a giant armed camp. There are around 130,000 K-12 schools in America; there are close to 40,000 supermarkets; there are innumerable venues that offer opportunities for mass killers. Protecting all these public spaces Republican-style would require creating a heavily armed, military-style domestic defense force, heavily armed because it would face attackers with body armor and semiautomatic weapons. It would be at least as big as the Marine Corps. C'monsense, wake up! You're being an 'effing idiot.
What if Republicans helped make it as difficult to get a gun as they want to make it to get an abortion? What if it were as difficult to get a gun as it is to get a driver’s license in this country?
We should get rid of schools, that will solve the problem. In a short time we'll all be as stupid as Republicans. It's military type weapons that are the problem and the chicklette brain Dumpster jerks know it, but they enjoy the carnage.
What makes a military type weapon ?
AR-15 and you know it, your just trolling liberal and that's all you have to offer.
What makes the AR15 a military weapon, the color black and a pistol grip ? The Browning BAR hunting rifle has a similar but better semi-auto gas operated action that will shoot just as fast or faster and 10x more reliable. The Browning has a removable magazine. What does the AR15 have or do that is different ? There are a dozen other semi-auto rifles that do the same thing as the AR 15 so what is so different ?
https://www.browning.com/products/firearms/rifles/bar/bar-mk-3-dbm-wood.html
It’s a weapon that is so powerful and deadly that it strikes fear in 19 armed and trained individuals, preventing them from confronting a 19 year old that was armed with one, allowing him to murder children for an hour.
Like it or not, it takes 2/3 vote to amend the constitution. Like it or not the 2nd amendment protects the rights of citizens or be armed. Gun restrictions don’t work (see Chicago) but even if they did, you’d still need 2/3 vote to take away enough guns to make it impossible for criminals to get them. Even then they would just come through a black market on our southern border where there is no one stopping them. It’s not happening. Yet that’s all the left wants to talk about. If they really cared about the kids (which they don’t, it’s the same people who advocate for partial birth abortion), they would offer solutions that could be implemented immediately, like security measures at the schools. They are not serious about solving the problem, this is only political and another “ Never let a good crisis go to waste” moment. Disgusting.
Then let's all take a moment of silence to honor the school children and their teachers who have sacrificed their lives to protect your precious right to have the ability to unload hundreds of high caliber rounds within minutes. And btw, you can drive or take the South Shore RR from Chicago to Indiana in under 30 minutes and purchase any firearm that you desire. Federal regulation is needed.
@Rifgtforthevalley, you’re being a boneheaded ‘effing genius with that statement. "Security measures at the schools"? Actually, if you take the proposals by Cruz, Patrick and others literally, they amount to a call for turning the land of the free into a giant armed camp. There are around 130,000 K-12 schools in America; there are close to 40,000 supermarkets; there are many other venues that might offer prey for mass killers. So protecting all these public spaces Republican-style would require creating a heavily armed, effectively military domestic defense force — heavily armed because it would face attackers with body armor and semiautomatic weapons — that would be at least as big as the Marine Corps.
What if we made it as difficult to get a gun as Republicans want to make it to get an abortion? What if we made it as difficult to get a gun as it is to get a driver’s license in this country?
"Republican-style would require creating a heavily armed, effectively military domestic defense force" Yep, that's what they want, to suppress free speech and install their authoritarian vision of America.
Mr. Wilson, thank you for your service to our community. In this age of mis-information, teachers are more important than ever. My uncle taught 8th grade reading here in Hailey back in the 1960's and the experience you were thrust into would have never entered his mind. My wife and I wholeheartedly support better controls on firearms and would never suggest arming teachers is any kind or realistic solution to the epidemic of mass shootings that this country faces.
Was texted this:
“Don’t even suggest arming teachers. Some of y’all don’t even trust us to select library books”
“Every teacher you know has thought about it
Every teacher you know has a plan for an active shooter
Every teacher you know has weighed their point of fight or flight
Every teacher you know has walked their room looking for blind spots
Every teacher you know has passed their classroom to see what it looks like from the outside
Every teacher you know has wondered how fast they can lock a door.
Every teacher you know has had a talk about the “spread out” or “group together” methods
Every teacher you know has gotten jumpy at least once at the sound of the fire alarm, unplanned announcement, or screech from the quad.
Every teacher you know has wondered if they could be in the way long enough to prevent damage.
Every teacher you know has thought about how hard it would be to keep young people quiet.
Every teacher you know has walked into a different classroom and noticed where the doors and windows are.
Every teacher you know. “
What are the options Barb ? It seems like the medical mental health in this country has taken a backseat and no mental health issues get dealt with. The "defund the police" movement has chased the cops off campus to create these soft targets that you describe in your "Every Teacher " comment. It will take a 60% vote for any gun issue in the senate and that is not gunna happen, they are still fighting for background checks. The last two mass shootings went thru background checks and were sold guns. The idea that we are going to do what Australia has done is not going to happen in this country. The only real option is to change the soft target and supply protection.
Salem-Keizer School District
Mental Wellness and Suicide Prevention.
I listened to the podcast this past weekend and heard about the program in OR
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/02/1095924723/stopping-mass-shootings-before-they-happen
Add a tax to ammunition to pay for mental health services in schools.
Suicide rates of white men are high in Idaho and surrounding states.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/23/real-man-wyoming-suicide-masculinity/
By the way, Governor Abbott also brought up the need for mental health services. This is ironic since he cut 112 million in the Texas budget for mental health services.
I hope HR 8 Bipartisan Background Checks of 2021 passes in the senate and have called Sen Risch phone number 202-224-2752
and Senator Crapo 202-224-6142
This would be a start
Barb, the background bill is kinda complicated. Right now when someone goes to a gun store and buys a gun they get a background check, everytime. Right now if you buy a gun in the newspaper or from a friend, there is no background check. Millions of guns have been sold this way. What the bill did was to say every gun transfer had to go thru a background check. And if anyone had a gun that you bought from a friend or family member in the past would need to go to a gun dealer and get that gun in your name or you would be a criminal for owning that gun. This is basically starting a registration process that isn't going to pass the federal government. Right or wrong the process of starting a registration of guns this late in the game is not going to happen. Do a search for Joseph Roh and the ATF, the AR-15 becomes a confusing game, they can't even enforce serial numbers on that gun. The ghost gun is never going away, they have no control of it. Biden signed an executive order that grandfathered AR15's without a serial number. There is no way to prove when it was made if it never gets a serial number, so anyone can keep making them without a serial number because there is no way to say when it got made.
Chuck - did you give a good listen to all of the podcast? Guns are tangential to the conversation so no threat to 2a. It is worth the time to listen.
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