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Wednesday, November 25, 2009

Idaho wolf hunt will last longer

Inaugural hunt extended to March 31 or until wolf quota is reached


By JASON KAUFFMAN
Express Staff Writer

In a move that's sure to generate controversy, hunters will have another three months to fill their wolf tags after the Idaho Fish and Game Commission last week voted to extend the state's first wolf hunt well into 2010.

In those Idaho hunting zones where hunters haven't filled hunting quotas, including the local Southern Mountains zone, the hunt will now run through March 31 or until wolf harvest limits are reached, whichever comes first. The Southern Mountains zone covers the Smoky Mountains, the Wood River Valley and the Pioneer and Boulder mountains and runs east across several more mountain ranges to the Idaho-Montana line.

The extension means hunters will have more time to hunt wolves on snow, which may make spotting and pursuing the elusive predator easier. Among conservationists, the extension is controversial because pregnant wolves may be killed.

Wolves in the northern Rockies generally give birth to pups in mid-April.

According to a news release from Suzanne Stone, Northern Rockies representative for Defenders of Wildlife, the commission's decision has serious implications for the health of the region's wolves.

"Hunter knowledge of the whereabouts of denning sites is widespread," Stone said. "Wolves only breed once a year so the take of one pregnant wolf kills any chance of reproductive success for its pack for the year, along with the five to eight pups she was carrying."

So far, hunters have killed eight wolves in the large Southern Mountains zone, with several of those taken from the valley's Phantom Hill wolf pack. The commission set the quota for the zone at 10 wolves.

The commission extended the wolf hunting season during a meeting on Thursday, Nov. 19. Wolf harvest limits were not changed.

Montana has already closed its inaugural wolf hunt. The overall quota in that state was 75 wolves.

Statewide, Idaho hunters will be allowed to kill 220 wolves. The hunt was already scheduled to run through March 31 in two areas: the Sawtooth and Lolo wolf zones, the latter located in north central Idaho.

Other areas where the season was extended are the Panhandle, Palouse-Hells Canyon, Selway, Middle Fork, Salmon and South Idaho wolf zones. Those areas were scheduled to close Dec. 31. Hunters will need a 2010 wolf tag, in addition to a 2010 Idaho hunting license, for hunts extending into the new year.

Idaho Department of Fish and Game officials set wolf harvest limits by 12 zones. The season will close in each zone when the limit for that zone is reached, or once the statewide limit is reached.

As of Tuesday, Nov. 24, the statewide harvest was at 113 wolves. Wolf seasons have already closed in the Dworshak-Elk City zone in north central Idaho, the McCall-Weiser zone in west central Idaho and the Upper Snake zone in eastern Idaho.

In addition to the Southern Mountains zone, two other zones are near their harvest limits. The Palouse-Hells Canyon zone is two kills away from the limit of five wolves. In central Idaho's remote Middle Fork zone, hunters are just four wolves shy of the 17-wolf limit.

Wolf hunters are reminded to check the harvest limit in the wolf hunting zones they intend to hunt. To find out whether a wolf zone remains open, hunters should call (877) 872-3190.

Hunters are required by state law to report that they've killed a wolf within 24 hours. Hunters must present the hide and skull to a Fish and Game conservation officer or regional office within five days.

Jason Kauffman: jkauffman@mtexpress.com


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Longungus
12/02/09 - 07:30

Dang J.Jarvis, That breaks my heart about the Basin Butte pack.
My hunting buddies and i killed two during Elk season,And was hoping to go get a few more out of there.. Oh well i guess we can just target the Phatoms, It's closer to home anyway..
Hey Blackdiamond,, I hear ya on the convulsions and frothy blood.. The first one shot started spewing blood pretty bad and was covering it's beautiful coat, Now that really almost broke my heart to see that.. But i cheered up right away cuz my buddy told me that the Taxidermist could clean it up no problem..

timber
12/01/09 - 08:25

50 miles in 12 hours between sightings. The pack in silver creek was all light colored. The wolf in the big desert was black and much larger. I surmise that the wolves in silver creek are there to stay, why would they leave? Just like the pack up greenhorn and the pack up east fork that was sighted yesterday morning. They are setting up to camp on the residual elk herds that never leave those areas and are always seen lounging and feeding on the south facing slopes near those locations. Go ahead and reason wolflover.

timber
12/01/09 - 07:33

Ok I was out in the big desert south of Craters of the moon yesterday and spotted A large grey wolf 3 or 4 miles southeast of Laidlaw Butte in south park just A mile or so southeast of south park well.

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timber
12/01/09 - 07:37

That makes 10 wolves seen and many more heard in the last two days. You people say that there are not "too many" wolves in southern idaho should get out more. These were entirely seperate and distinctly different wolves, two packs in fairly close proximity to each other and livestock.

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wolflover
12/01/09 - 08:12

Ten wolves is a lot? I guess I should try to tell you packs move and change. except why should I reason with you?

Tyler
11/30/09 - 12:02

Hey everyone I saw 3 wolves eating cheesburgers at Jack in the box in Twin Falls, so if you like.. you know...... Or you can just grab lunch if they already left.

God you are lame Timber.

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Hunter316
11/30/09 - 12:40

Tyler, I work at Jack in the Box in Twin and have never seen a wolf at our location. I've been an associate manager here for the last 6 years and am offended by your comments. Although we work at a "Fast Food" restaurant, we are still hard-working Americans who are trying to provide for our families with the opportunities that are available. I also like eating poop in my trailer because I live in Twin Falls.

timber
11/29/09 - 13:43

Saw nine wolves this morning chasing geese in the silver creek area. Saw them from the old railroad tracks between Hayspur fish hatchery and gannet in the fields to the south. I imagine they will be there with the Elk that should be calling it home soon. In case anyone wants to ..... well you know.

Hawk
11/28/09 - 08:15

Of wolves and worms
sciencetrio.wordpress.com
If a Northern Rocky Mountain gray wolf has a daily to-do list, it may look like this:1.) Avoid hunters, 2.) Maintain territory, 3.) Find prey, 4.) Get de-wormed.

Reply to Hawk
Hawk
11/29/09 - 08:12

This one is a threat to humans, although rare. The Echinococcus Granulosus is relegated to the areas where dogs or wolves or foxes are eating the intestinal remains of infected herbivores and then passing it on the eggs in feces which, in turn, the herbivores eat inadvertently… Man gets into the picture when dog or wolf feces are infected and wind up in his food, OR when he eats infected herbivores….

Big problem is when deer wind up with it, or elk as well. Evidently, the wolf is passing it on to elk and deer…….Hunters, doesn’t this make you concerned about not only is the wolf decimating the deer and elk….they are also infecting them with a parasitic host that is deadly to man. Of course, this does not concern most of the non-venison eaters who are the wolf’s bed-mates, and would like all hunters out of the woods.

J. Jarvis
11/28/09 - 01:15

Great NEWS!!!!
Wildlife services has successfully wiped out the Basin Butte pack...Please send your support to this effecient group of shooters...And strongly suggest they focus on the remaining phantoms...who will also become "problem wolves"....Story is on Ralph Maughns environwacko site.....

Reply to J. Jarvis
Hawk
11/28/09 - 07:55

That is the Misconception, preconceived, and assumed blog site. There science data is as accurate as the global warmers math..

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timber
11/28/09 - 19:54

Just like I said. Donations are the first thing you see on his blog. Money is king isn't it Ralph? What A load of crap.

Reply to J. Jarvis
fed
11/29/09 - 00:31

jj,
wild life guardians and the feds are ready to ban aerial work by wildlife services. Read the current issue of seattle pi online. Think you can fight the feds and their predator drones? Yeah right. You and the Taliban - The tables will turn soon.

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J. Jarvis
11/29/09 - 20:04

Don'thold your breath fed....Ariel gunning and the hunts will continue...If anything it may become more liberal....Poison may enter the picture again soon....but thanks for the seatle liberal rag info...

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wolflover
11/30/09 - 16:24

This was news that ticked me off. Thanks for your great idea for my project. It is titled "Save the Wolves from aerial hunting in Alaska" You will see results by April........

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J. Jarvis
12/01/09 - 15:23

WolfHumper...are you serious...you think your 8th grade wolfie project is going to get national attention....what color s the sky in your world>>?

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wolflover
12/01/09 - 15:54

Acutually, it will. I have many friends with the same view as me. I wish Idaho wasn't as neive as to believe everything is imposible. Today well lived and worshiped, makes tommorow better. I may only be in the eigth grade but I have more the mind of a scholar than you. I will make this global, because in order to help wolves I need money for a plane ticket. I will begin my career as a singer. Any money earned will go to the wolves. Ask anyone I know. I have one heck of a voice! glad to see you are still acting the smart one. Only the weak call others names. I haven't for a while unless you count my cussing. I WILL try to stop wolf hunting. It will happen. Good luck trying to stop me!!!!

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J. jarvis
12/01/09 - 21:09

Wolf lover...I apologize for the name...i didn't realize you were really in the 8th grade...I was being sarcastic....I don't make it a point to pick on kids...I really am sorry....
As for the naive part....i was a know it all 8th grader once too...guess we will find out if your right in the next year or so....good luck with the singin' carreer...

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wolflover
12/02/09 - 07:54

Why thank you. LMAO... lolz. This makes me happy. Wolflover is smiling on the inside..... : )

Black Diamond
11/27/09 - 21:55

Boise State is ranked at an astonishing #5. Myopia can be cured, turn away from the obsessive need to feed your lust to win a war of words over the hunt. The wolf has a very good pup survival rate, it is a sure thing that they will make up there numbers in 2-3 years. If you can accept the fact of a wolf getting shot through the lung and all its writhing and convulsions and frothy blood staining its beautiful coat, then remember a new beginning will happen for the wolf and the wapiti. They and the others mulies, coyotes, moose will recover. Trust Idaho fish and game as you would your mother!

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Black Diamond
11/27/09 - 22:28

Sorry listeners but I made a slight error, The Broncos are ranked an awesome #6 just behind the Cincinnati Bearcats who are the rightful owners of #5.

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Hawk
11/28/09 - 07:36

That must be some good bud you been smokin dude.. Wolves never ever managed anything and never ever will..

timber
11/27/09 - 17:00

Another point which you seem to miss wolflover is that we don't aim to eradicate all the wolves from idaho but to merely control the population as it is growing out of control. One word, "BALANCE" period.

Reply to timber
wolflover
11/27/09 - 17:18

Didn't I know that already? But I believe that this "Quota" from the fish and game is total crap. 220 wolves is a lot. Way too many to be killed in the first year wolf hunting is REALLY reopened.

timber
11/27/09 - 16:53

Ok this is for wolflover. I looked up Elk on Wikipedia and they supposedly crossed the land bridge in the early Pleistocene ice age period. The Canadian grey wolf just after. So what is your point about two toed animals? Please enlighten me. Feel free to call your 8th grade science teacher.

timber
11/27/09 - 11:20

Where exactly are Deer and Elk native to? Do you expect people actually believe you lynne? Did you know it is illegal to haze game animals, and extremely dangerous to fire your pistol into the air? Somebody is going to get hurt because of your fervor. What goes up comes down somewhere. Just how much do you make A year in wages from donations to your non profit orginazation? Doesn't it pay to stir the pot? Must be great advertising for donations to expand your monetary and overzealous agenda? What do you think people? Anybody given any thought to the real agenda of some people like this? Think about it. I have personally seen native american pictographs in our immediate area that are dated to 8000+years showing Elk, Deer, and Antelope not to mention Big horn sheep. Not native?????

Reply to timber
Hawk
11/27/09 - 14:46

Environmentalism is religion..And their kooks.

Reply to timber
wolflover
11/27/09 - 16:10

I am NOT lynne stone. You should do some research, then you might find I am right. I learned this from my eighth grade science teacher who has more wilderness experience from his hunting trips than your butt is worth. Google it. I am NOT your mom so just do it if you want. It is a fact but you don't have to believe me....

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timber
11/27/09 - 16:29

I don't believe everything that is in the cyber world. Do you? I certainly do not believe fanatical statements meant to roust up all the animal rights activists that view this comment forum to action. You should have stayed for ninth grade you might have been enlightened. There is plenty of archeological and fossil evidence to support my claim. Google this! History is changing everyday with new discoveries and scientists still do not know the whole story. True there were some type of wolves on the north american continent for the last several thousand years. I do not dispute this. There were also Mastadon and Mammoth. Heck let's bring in elephants to replace them. Just as ludicrous as introducing the canadian grey wolf where the north american timberwolf was native. I have seen native american pictographs within A few miles of Bellevue which show large horned elk looking animals. There are extensive studies done by the BLM and USFS proving the age of these. What makes you think that europeans placed all these animals here for their hunting pleasures. Lots of people have opinions and I would say that yours is unsupported. Why don't you just use your real name if you are not lynne stone or are you?

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wolflover
11/27/09 - 16:42

No, there was already a population of deer and elk growing. I believe the bridge of land theory. The land bridge connected North america to basicly, Russia. I believe my science teacher over you. Why? because of the fact he is a TRUE environmentalist. He hunts, and I trust his facts over ever last one of yours!

Reply to timber
Hawk
11/28/09 - 08:54

LMAO, " I believe my public indoctrinator over all else." Who controls what they teach in those classes ? government does. Who just flew around Stanley air gunning the basin pack killing seven wolves, your government did..
Wake up and quit being so stupid.

backpacker
11/26/09 - 10:44

For the sake of everyone else on this forum, let me see if I understand Wolflover:

Deer and elk are not native to Idaho, even humans are not natives -- but the larger Canadian wolves are. (she doesn't understand that the reason for the larger wolves in Canada is due to the big populations of moose and huge bears that they've adapted to killing. This is why in Idaho they have a smorgasboard of relatively smaller game, so they just kill and eat a snack of the choicer morsals and move on to the next pregnant deer for more choice snacks of unborn fawn hearts. Don't you just love it Wolflover?)

So since none of we humans or the deer and elk are natives, Wolflover doesn't have any feelings or concern for our survival. She has reserved ALL her caring feelings for the wolf only, while telling the rest of us -- including the deer, elk, cattle, pets, and even US to -- drop dead. Nice to know you Wolflover.

backpacker
11/26/09 - 09:39

Come on Wolflover -- ease up on the Fish & Game. Maybe they're beginning to wise up and feel sorry for all the elk, deer, and other "poor creatures" that are being killed by out-of-place monsters from Canada. Even the Canadians asked why in the world would we do such a thing as import their varity of larger wolves into Idaho. Too bad Fish & Game didn't have an answer at the time.

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wolflover
11/26/09 - 10:22

Out-of-place monsters? Wolves aren't exactly bound to the canadian border but too bad. You talk like you know something... We are out-of-place monsters no human is truly "native" to america because we didn't evolve here. Deer/elk aren't "native" either. Do you know why? Deer and elk both have two toes. All "native" creatures to north america only have one. Interesting fact, eh?

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Laughing
11/26/09 - 12:41

Some folks think the pro-wolf people have crossed the line as well. First they tell us 150 wolves and 10 breeding pairs in the wilderness. Now we are told we need over 2000 wolves. So who has crossed the line? Who has lied? Humans have never tolerated predators hanging around their villages. The wolves were either killed for fur and/or food, or habituated wolves were kept for hunting partners.

Try reading something other than propaganda put out by the pro-wolf people. Wolves evolved in India, the Himalayan wolves are related to our North American gray wolves.

Recently a wolf attacked 17 people in India. Not something we would like to have happen in Idaho.
www.dnaindia.com

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DG
11/26/09 - 14:06

Awww poor Wolflover and the rest of the wolf worshippers...having a tantrum because the Fish and Game is sticking with their management plan. You need to realize that science and management will not overrun by your misguided emotional adgenda.

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timber
11/27/09 - 15:25

Why don't you explain to everyone the difference between the canadian grey wolf and the north american timberwolf lynne? Different dogs lady! That is the problem.

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wolflover
11/27/09 - 16:31

Again, I am NOT lynne stone.

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timber
11/27/09 - 16:35

GOOD LUCK!

Sick of population propaganda
11/25/09 - 16:06

the United States occupies a land area of 3.79 million square miles. I converted this to square feet to get a more familiar idea of how big this really is. So:

1 mile = 5280 ft
1 sq. mi. = 5280^2 = 27878400 sq. ft.
3790000 sq mi x 27878400 sq ft (per sq mi) = 105659136000000 sq ft

Let's set aside 2/3 of this area for purposes such as farming or institutions; that leaves us with 1/3 of this space to use for building homes.
Assuming that every person needs a living space of 1000 sq. ft in their homes:

105659136000000 sq ft / 3 = 35219712000000 sq ft
35219712000000 sq ft / 1000 = 35219712000 people

That's 35.2 billion people we're talking about here just in the country of the United States!!! Imagine how many US there are in the world. Like a dozen or so! Given that half the world is uninhabitable, that would still be 35.2 billion times 6 = 211318272000 people! That's well over 200 BILLION PEOPLE maximum capacity that the Earth can support!

Over population is propaganda !

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kw – hailey
11/25/09 - 17:00

We could make the whole nation, shore to shore, one big Sweetwater. (It`s not wild without wolves)

Reply to Sick of population propaganda
backpacker
11/25/09 - 19:29

Over population propaganda?? Perhaps you shouldn't have gotten off your medication! The resources to support the population are what you are completely ignoring -- and we are at the stress point now. Water, food production, trash management, timber for construction, precious metals, even rubber for tires -- are all entering a stage of real concern. But oh no -- don't figure all that; just count the available space and cram us all in that and we'll be just fine. Must have been some powerful medicine.

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Sick of population propaganda
11/25/09 - 20:05

The same propagandists pushing the global warming hoax are behind your "water shortage", as well the environmentalists are behind the ESA insanity which denied water to farmers in California over the smolt, which it turns out is being harmed more by the ESA agenda than helped, meanwhile farmers that feed 50% of this nation are watching that water dump into the pacific while centuries old farm lands die and wither into weed patches, including Almond trees..etc. etc. No where did i advise cramming this population onto this continent, you did that, I showed you how much space there really is. The World Bankers via Maurice Strong, ex U.N. president have purchased all water rights under North America, if there is a water shortage, (There in fact is Not) that sounds like a pretty stupid investment to me. But it's cool backpacker, lets just kill every one based on a lie so the elites can have it all to themselves. I don't eat poisonous products provided by the Medical Industrial Pharmaceutical Complex...

Reply to Sick of population propaganda
kw – hailey
11/26/09 - 07:38

wow-No water shortage, people have been fighting and dying over water in the West since we got here. I can only use water (for my yard in Hailey) every other day. The Big Lost River (at the source of whats left of the biggest aquafer in the US) runs dry by mid-ssummer. Take a look at Trail Creek after Sun Valley gets done with it.

Reply to Sick of population propaganda
DG
11/26/09 - 07:49

Are you for real?? Scary!

Reply to Sick of population propaganda
backkpacker
11/26/09 - 07:54

Your original comment -- ""That's 35.2 billion people we're talking about here just in the country of the United States!!!""

Then you replyed -- "No where did i advise cramming this population onto this continent--"

So now everyone reading this forum is wondering -- well -- I'll leave that to them.

No -- I don't buy into the global warming and other "activists" agendas either, but I am concerned about what I do know regarding the supply of natural resources necessary to support our country while the illegals keep flooding in. By the way, let's talk about the subject at hand -- wolves -- and the need to carefully regulate them for a lot of good reasons.

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dan
11/26/09 - 23:41

That is by far the stupidist reasoning I have ever read ever.
Congratulations.

Noelle
11/25/09 - 13:04

I agree with Steve. Perhaps not the lethal measures part. However, people need to stop having so many kids and overpopulating the planet. It can not sustain us all, forever. One kid per couple would be a nice place to start. Off spring are a major carbon foot print. The biggest.

Tyler
11/25/09 - 11:51

I saw a wolf eat a million deer in one day. That means folks that there are only a billion left. If we don't do something Randy, Steve, live2hunt and all the other rednecks will only illegally get to shoot 3 deer a year instead 5. How will they eat.. Man this is a serious problem. We need to think.

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mpc
11/25/09 - 12:10

Oh my gosh. You are allowed to vote, too, aren't you?

MFM
11/25/09 - 11:26

If anyone is interested, I'm selling a new wolf-hunting product that should turn the wolf-hunting industry on it's wolf-head. It's a full very life-like wolf suit. This will allow all wolf hunters to infiltrate the pack, gain the trust of the wolves and then pick them off, one by one. The wolf suit has many features, to name a few; real wolf fur, wolf eye holes (so you can stare down the other wolves, a show of dominance), wolf-paw finger holes (to help with eating), realistic wolf rear-end (this will allow the wolf to smell your rear end without raising suspicion). Also available but sold separately; realistic wolf poop, extra long wolf tail, puffy wolf fur jacket (for cold nights), Teen Wolf Too VHS. I'll be at the Snow Bunny parking lot tomorrow all day. There will be a demonstration of me eating a burger while wearing the wolf suit. Also, I'll be rollerblading in the skatepark while wearing the wolf suit to demonstrate the ease of movement. Hope to see you there!

Sarah – burns OR
11/25/09 - 09:22

jerry your perception is warped..
wolfs are butiful animals and yes should be allowed to live there lifes but they can be dangerous to. To livestock and humans they need to be kept controlled. and if hunting a few is the way to do it then they should do it

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Sarah – burns OR
11/25/09 - 09:26

sorry im not awake yet i ment to put STEVE not JERRY
my appology to JERRY! :)

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Sarah – burns OR
11/25/09 - 09:26

sorry im not awake yet i ment to put STEVE not JERRY
my appology to JERRY! :)

Steve Forndan – Bellevue
11/25/09 - 08:35

These blood thirsty predators kill for sport. They are not native, and they damage the elk and deer populations. They are not normal predators. They kill and often do not eat the prey. They are not a harmonious part of the ecosystem. Their numbers need to be controlled and lethal measures are needed. They're pretty easy to spot. They drive around in their motorized vehicles, are usually overweight, and underwitted. Hunter season is wide open. Let's get rid of as many of these degenerates as possible.

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mpc
11/25/09 - 12:15

Hey everybody:
We better keep an eye on Steve. When people start talking publicly about killing people, it should be taken seriously.

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wolflover
11/26/09 - 10:28

makes me laugh. MWHAHAHAHAHAHA. Person above, did you know that a certain government official threatened the life of the president of the USA? THAT is a threatening coment!

Jerry Sullivan – Hailey
11/25/09 - 07:34

I saw a black lobo wolf at the Greenhorn trailhead at 9am Monday morning.

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live2hnt
11/25/09 - 08:40

Jerry, Thanks for the sighting info. Keep posting where we see them to help fill the quota!

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