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The comments below are from the readers of mtexpress.com and in no way represent the views of Express Publishing Inc. 12/08/09 - 16:56
I only eat roadkill.... You guys OK with that? 12/07/09 - 14:02
I liked this response best: Pschopathy from wikipidia- is a personality disorder whose hallmark is a lack of empathy. Pschopaths, or sociopaths, are extremely self centered and, lacking compassion, conscience or empathy they take what they want for their own pleasure without feelings of remorse or guilt. Oblivious to the pain or suffering they cause their victims, sociopaths 12/03/09 - 01:51
Pschopathy from wikipidia- is a personality disorder whose hallmark is a lack of empathy. Pschopaths, or sociopaths, are extremely self centered and, lacking compassion, conscience or empathy they take what they want for their own pleasure without feelings of remorse or guilt. Oblivious to the pain or suffering they cause their victims, sociopaths 11/29/09 - 12:56
In Genesis Adam and Eve lived in the garden of eden and ate plants and fruits and lived in harmony with all of Gods creatures. I dont remember the part where Adam kills, slaughters and eats some of Gods creatures. 11/29/09 - 13:46
What about the 2 million or so years before that? 11/29/09 - 11:59
Actually the lettuce licker enviro police at WWS and other groups want all cattle off the ranges and into cages... 11/29/09 - 09:47
Animal_Voices: Human's are actually omnivores (I'm sure, since your a teacher, you know what the word means). Our teeth are equally suited to steak or potatoes. And I guess you've never seen a house cat (or wolf, for that matter) kill by instinct (sport?, fun?) and not eat that kill. Do you teach creation or evolution in your school? 11/29/09 - 10:22
I don't get your point Doris. So you are OK with calves being confined in crates their whole lives and shielded from light to produce tender viel? Are you saying that does not bother you at all? 11/29/09 - 11:09
You're right, Doris. In my freedom from my health being dictated by the meat, dairy, and egg industries and our government, I do walk to the beat of a different drummer, and nothing has to suffer for my health and well being. It feels good to be a compassionate consumer, and I am greatly rewarded with better health. I refuse to love some, while supporting cruelty and slaughter of others in a society gone mad with greed and selfishness. "Humans aren't the only species on earth, we just act like it." 11/29/09 - 21:47
I'm OK with that. To me, veal parmesan a delicious meal. If it makes you feel guilty... then don't eat it, BMW. And good for you A.L. I don't have any guilt about my choices. Sound like you did.. and made a change to deal with it. Great, but don't expect everyone to live by your rules. 11/30/09 - 01:29
Look up sociopath Doris. 12/03/09 - 12:04
Look up Vitamin B12 deficiency beemer 12/03/09 - 12:24
Animal-voices 11/28/09 - 23:17
"We've gotten used to idea", said Dies. That pretty much says it all. Most of the kids natural inclinication was to decline participation, but they were taught otherwise. This project was intented to desensitize kids to killing. Its all about learned behavior. There is probably a way to consume enough protein without the large scale suffering inflicted upon living creatures. I am personally not familiar with the particulars but I am abhorred the way animals are made to suffer. If these educators really want to teach, they should offer a tour through a factory farm. In fact,it should be a mandatory course in high school curriculam. It should be broadcast on TV so everyone knows where there meat comes from. Then maybe we as country can figure out a way to provide ourselves with nutrition without inflicting horrible cruelty. We went to the moon and beyond, we should be able to take this next step and evolve into better beings. 11/28/09 - 19:36
You out of state chicken lovers probably have no idea that most of these kids have been hunting or fishing or live with livestock that they eat all the time anyway. I guess you would call child services if you saw an 11 year old gutting his first deer out and eating the beating heart raw. 11/29/09 - 16:40
I doubt that any of the children at the Community School live with livestock. Perhaps some have fished at some point, but few, at that age anyway, have hunted. This is an expensive, private facility for the wealthy. Not a public school in rural Idaho. These kids needed to be exposed to the reality of live protein consumption, exactly because they most likely would NOT have been in any other way. 12/03/09 - 08:58
You would be surprised noell, how many kids have gutted A fish, hunted or raised livestock in that school. I live here lady. 11/28/09 - 17:32
Instead of killing animals, they should teach children the truth that humans are not physically meant to be eating animals. And there is no such thing as humane killing. 11/28/09 - 17:51
... but it is OK for a predator to kill an animal in the wild, right? Predators use teeth, beaks, claws and talons, a much slower, more painful and terrifying death. Is this "humane?" What's the difference? 11/28/09 - 18:16
If we weren't meant to eat them, why do we eat them? Humans are animals and part of the ecosystem, therefore everything we do could be construed as "natural". I find it ironic when "animal rights" activists feel so superior to every other animal on the planet, as if there own dog wouldn't chew on them in a desperate situation. 11/28/09 - 18:16
....sounds like another lemming from the Chicken Lover Website. So glad YOUR not teaching my children (were not physically meant to be eating animals ???). 11/28/09 - 19:25
Why do humans have canine teeth? You people make me laugh. What did cave man eat? I saw A squirrel eat A bird once too. 11/29/09 - 02:34
Reply to Anon: "Predators use teeth, beaks, claws and talons..." Thank you for asking. You can not compare the needs of animals to the needs of humans. Animals have only their own body parts or brute force to aide them in their struggle for food that will sustain their lives. If I have to explain to you what humans have in comparison, I will have to conclude that you do not have the capacity to grasp it. Animals kill only for life sustenance and never for vengeance or joy; humans kill for entertainment, notoriety, leisure-time activities, tradition, joy of killing, religious nonsense, joy of using a powerful weapon, and most of all, for profit. Reply to hmm: "If we weren't meant to eat them, why do we eat them?" Mainly humans eat meat because they suffer from Sheeple syndrome--they just follow along without question--untruths are accepted as truth. I consider myself an expert on the syndrome because I suffered most of my life with the affliction. I find it ironic when the meat eaters feel so superior to every other animal on the planet considering they don't have independent thinking. And humans are the only species who kill out of malice and joy for selfish and greedy reasons. "...own dog wouldn't chew on them in a desperate situation." Are you trying to say you have to kill and consume other species because you are in a desperate situation? What country do you live in? To Doris - Wood River Valley: Human teeth were designed to grind plant-based foods. If you consider yourself a Christian and you use the Bible as your source of authority, then you have to know that Adam and Eve were placed in a garden and they were suppose to be vegans. It was only after sin entered their lives that they evolved into weapons of mass destruction. And by the way, how do you know I'm not teaching your children? 11/29/09 - 10:25
Jeffrey Dahmer ate people stew. Doesn't make it right. 11/23/09 - 22:11
I applaud you kids! when i was in High school i did a demo on dressing out a meat rabbit for my Ag class i was told by the school board that i had to kill and behead the rabbit before it came on school grounds, I with my teacher and mother both thought this was stupied how was i suppose to teach anything if i couldnt go from start to finish.. there response was well if it dosnt have a head then the kids mind you were HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS wont think of it as a animal. plus all but 1 of us were farm kids and she refused to watch. people are getting to dissconected to the realitys of life we need more programs like this! 11/23/09 - 23:48
Sarah, thank you for providing yet one more testimony for why this heinous project is a bad idea for young teens: You appear to have been psychologically damaged by not being able to demonstrate your fondness for killing animals in front of your classmates. The members of your school board were evidently people with wisdom and moral charter; I applaud them. 11/24/09 - 00:42
They should have taught you hicks to spell and write, not kill and behead bunny rabbits. 11/24/09 - 00:45
They should have taught you hicks to spell and write, not kill and behead bunny rabbits. 11/21/09 - 11:57
I just got an idea for a new restaurant. It will be sort of like those steak houses where you get to grill your own steak. We can have patrons slaughter their own animal for dinner! Educational and appetizing! 11/28/09 - 19:30
kind of like sushi? 11/20/09 - 12:58
14,000 chickens are killed per minute in North America. 11/18/09 - 13:15
I do not see how this experience could be negative for the children/students. I find it ignorant that people do not realize that their protein food sources mostly come from living, breathing animals. 11/15/09 - 20:16
What the C.S. did is NOTHING compared to this annual animal sacrifice: www.youtube.com . I think it has something to do with the chicken dying for your sins. Sick. Can't criticize that, though, as it would be "antisemitic." 11/18/09 - 11:10
It's not considered anti Semitic since most Jewish people find it despicable. 11/15/09 - 20:04
Very hypocritical to if any of you eat chicken. I am fairly sure a lot of the anti-slaughter people eat chicken and other meats. 11/18/09 - 13:05
Are you familiar with the old adage: "Two wrongs don't make a right?" You have to start compassion somewhere, and the classroom is a good place. Aside from the fact that most people who advocate for and speak up for voiceless animals are vegetarians or vegans. 11/15/09 - 20:00
I have a question for all of you guys who think this was terrible especially Miriam Jones. If you where presented with this complete unit and participated in all activites, do you still think it would be as horrible as you think it is? 11/14/09 - 20:40
I must say as a student of this project that you people do not understand what we went through and the only way to understand that this project was good is to do it yourself. We got our parents permission and I encourage other projects to take on this challenge as well. Go TCS 11/18/09 - 11:19
Challenge? Becoming vegetarians would be a challenge, although it really isn't once you see all of the great options. But aside from that, it's just odd for young high school students to be posing with the dead chickens and smiling. It's 2009, outside of Idaho there are many places around the U.S. and the world where young people have become more compassionate and enlightened to the more humane food sources out there. Smiling with dead chickens that they or their fellow students named, raised, and killed is just cold-hearted and sort of creepy. 11/13/09 - 18:05
I wonder why the school is teaching killing rather than compassion, not to mention a healthy sustainable, eco-friendly vegan lifestyle. 11/13/09 - 09:28
People are really missing the point: How do we get our food? How does is begin and end up on our table? The Community School students answered that in a very deep way, and I am sure they have a better understanding of the reality of that than most of us posting letters. 11/13/09 - 08:33
Im my hometown where I went to school we had the FFA and 4-H and these were clubs in school where we raised farm animals start to finish with all the gross parts included. These kids voluntarily with their parents support took part in this enterprise. I believe they should get the opportunity to see what really happens to the food we eat. We can't all be vegetarians or vegans folks. You goodie goodie's in New York and Virginia that are better than the rest of us because you never hurt A fly are probably all wearing A leather coat this winter or leather shoes or A down coat or A fur hat. Come on you hypocritical do gooders. How do you know plants don't have feelings too? Maybe secretly that tofu you are eating has been tortured and twisted and pressed and all the while agonizing for your pleasure and satisfaction. This is A small town in the west and we have livestock in town with the people. Are allowed to have some chickens for eggs or meat. not just pets. Oh that brings up another issue. How about "kidnapping", your pets and holding them hostage instead of letting them go free into the wild like they were meant to be. 11/18/09 - 13:24
What an irrational argument. There are vegetarians/vegans throughout the country and the world, not just in Virginia and NY, and the overwhelming majority of vegetarians and all vegans (by definition of vegan) don't wear leather or down. Domestic pets were meant to be in the wild, really??? You're compassion-challenged, come to terms with it...instead of reaching for straws. 11/27/09 - 12:17
This is in reply to Melissa. So what do you wear on your feet? I guess the production of plastics and synthetic rubber is ok to you even though the production of these substances creates global warming and pollution? What is your winter coat made out of? How about the tires on your gas guzzling SUV? What do you think the fertilizer that makes your vegan food grow is made up of? Blood meal? Bone meal? Are domestic chickens close relatives to any wild animal known to modern day man? Do you run electricity in your house that is produced from Salmon killing hydroelectric power or pollution causing coal power? Do you actually think A chicken's brain is sophisticated enough to process self awareness? Have you ever even been up close to A farm animal of any kind? Yes there are vegans of every walk of life and geographical location I agree. Jumping on A bandwagon that is going nowhere. Let hypocrisy run rampant ladies! 11/13/09 - 08:14
If God didn't want us to eat chickens... 11/13/09 - 07:35
While this article is almost impossibly horrifying to read, from the text describing the murder of the chickens to the smiling faces of the children who are altering their dead bodies, there is really nothing new here. Lesson plans such as these have been around for a very long time; and while they are dolled up in lots of different outfits, the supposed purpose of all of them is exactly the same: to Teach Children About The Reality Of Life. Teachers have their students hatch chicks from eggs to Teach Children About The Reality Of Life. Teachers imprison guinea pigs and birds in cages in their rooms to Teach Children About The Reality Of Life. Teachers ask children to cut up the dead bodies of frogs, rabbits, worms, and other creatures to -- you got it -- Teach Children About the Reality of Life. Beyond the horror of it all, the hypocrisy is almost suffocating, on two levels. First, there are plenty of realities of life that teachers do their best to keep out of their classrooms, everything from drug dealing and sexual abuse to oppression and discrimination. The thought that teachers would embrace these realities, not only bringing them into their classrooms but glorifying them is incomprehensible, isn't it? Yet they will use that justification to force-breed, murder, and consume animals. Interesting. The fact is that teachers have no real interest in teaching about the Realities of Life: only those that involve the torture and murder of non-human animals. Second, these teachers never EVER introduce into these lessons anything like a balanced view of "reality." No vegans are brought into the classroom to talk about how healthy we are, what good foods we eat, and how we don't have to crush other creatures underfoot just to enjoy our lives. No images of wild chickens, enjoying their lives without human intervention, are shown. No: only the reality that insists that humans enslave, torture, and murder other animals is presented. These teachers are like the Creationists who insist that their warped ideas of reality be taught in the classroom as fact while evolution is pushed to the side. They have no real interest in teaching the truth; rather, they wish to enforce their own narrow view of "reality." And what is this reality? It is the reality that says humans have the right to do whatever the hell they want to anyone and everyone else on the planet. And they want their students to grow up believing the same thing. Of course, teachers like this have been in existence forever. They are the ones who teach our children that Christopher Columbus was a good guy, instead of the profit-seeking explorer he truly was -- the one who enslaved native Caribbeans and killed their children. They are the ones who teach our children that all of the good literature was written by dead white guys. They are the ones who teach our children to learn to live by the bell and obey their bosses, right or wrong. So it should come as no surprise that they are teaching our children that it is right, and always will be right, to consider the creatures of the world as ours to do with as we please, whether that means raping them (also called "breeding") or cutting their throats so we can chow down on their wings. Congratulations, Community School students. You are getting the same education that children have received for hundreds of years. I only hope that one day, you can see past your teachers' lies and learn that humans are no better than anyone else. 11/18/09 - 18:05
MIRIAM JONES, You say it's "ALMOST" suffocating? Please keep trying. 11/20/09 - 11:34
Well said! Thank you for taking the time. 11/13/09 - 05:53
Yes, chickens and other animals endure terrible suffering and misery in animal-food production operations, but the idea that suffering and death should be literally inflicted on animals in the classroom in order to "teach" students about these miseries is pedagogically and ethically unsound. (And I speak as a former classroom teacher and juvenile probation officer of many years.) Imagine proposing that to teach students - young teenagers in middle school - about, say, the suffering and death endured by soldiers and civilians in war, to get the students out of their "comfort zones," actual micro-wars ought to be staged in the classroom. Teachers teach students geography and anthropology without literally importing the landscapes and cultures in question. Should teachers conduct literal environmental despoliation in order to "teach" students about the effects of destructive environmental practices? How can students learn the true reality of child abuse or spousal abuse or drunk driving or drug addiction or rape unless they actually inflict these abuses in the classroom? No, in the case of this slaughter exercise - setting up children against helpless animals including their betrayal of the birds who trusted and had no defense against those who raised them, then turned against them - something sordid is going on for which "teaching" is being used as an excuse. Again the question is, where are the parents? Where is the conscience of this community? Karen Davis, PhD, President, United Poultry Concerns 11/13/09 - 12:53
Don't forget to include your website: www.upc-online.org Drunk driving, war and environmental destruction are "bad." Eating meat is "good." A person who wouldn't dream of driving drunk or beating their spouse thinks nothing of cracking an egg into the pan or frying some chicken. After all, these are cheap and tasty sources of protein. It will be many years, generations probably, before humans equate farmed meat with slavery and stop demanding it. This class at the Community School may have created one or two vegans, who will pass the experience on to future generations. A vegan lifestyle requires a great deal more effort in our area. We have only two grocery stores, we are 65 miles from the nearest interstate and we have a very short growing season. We suffer from a limited selection of food compared to the bread baskets of the temperate coastal regions. A friend of mine grew up in Petaluma, California, which was the chicken capital of the world at some point. He is vegan, not because of animal cruelty, rather because chickens and the mass farming practices surrounding them are dirty and disgusting. I would never consider having a bird as a pet. Time for lunch, let's see... leftover meatloaf and cabbage... If meat is so bad, why do I like it so much? We are very little separated from our "cave-man" roots. 11/12/09 - 22:28
Those who are shocked and disgusted by this project either are vegan or have no idea how meat gets to the store. I commend the Community School for this lesson on the reality of meat. If you really want to see what is "shocking" and "disgusting" please view this video on how egg laying chickens are bred and treated as well as what happens to the rejects: www.youtube.com . This is some of the reality behind cheap food in the supermarket. Would you like your eggs fried or scrambled? 11/12/09 - 14:02
This may have taught the children a lesson about where their food comes from, but asking them to complete the killing of an animal (who apparantly was not stunned and felt the pain of the knife blade) as a class project goes beyond all good taste and academic sensibility. What academic standard or curricular goal is this addressing? This project could have been done in many other, and more humane, ways. The only ray of light I saw here were the students who refused to take part and the fact that they saw how factory farming is inherently wrong. As an educator I am disappointed that this is allowed to take place under the "guise" of learning or higher-order thinking. 11/12/09 - 13:22
Teachers and a school system encouraging 8th-grade students to make killing devices (killing cones) and use knives to cut the throats of sentient animals - and make no mistake: chickens and all birds are as sentient and conscious as mammals - is grossly, culpably cruel and irresponsible. This is an animal abuse issue and a child abuse issue, and will be pursued as such. The one ray of light is the students who had the moral courage and sensitivity to say No to this destructive project cloaked as "education." Where are the parents? Karen Davis, PhD, President, United Poultry Concerns 11/14/09 - 13:51
I am student of this project. One thing I have to say is: these comments left are all dumb. I am a vegetarian and still participated in this project. This was not child abuse, animal cruelty and our parents signed permission slips. We killed our chickens in the most humane way possible so I do not want to hear anymore foolish comments about this. Our teachers are the best and you people need to realize this is a fact of life. I am deeply upset by all this and think it should stop. The Community School is the best!!!!!!!!!!!! 11/14/09 - 13:51
I am student of this project. One thing I have to say is: these comments left are all dumb. I am a vegetarian and still participated in this project. This was not child abuse, animal cruelty and our parents signed permission slips. We killed our chickens in the most humane way possible so I do not want to hear anymore foolish comments about this. Our teachers are the best and you people need to realize this is a fact of life. I am deeply upset by all this and think it should stop. The Community School is the best!!!!!!!!!!!! 11/20/09 - 19:45
This is a comment to Chase who wrote " I am a vegetarian and still participated in this project. This was not child abuse, animal cruelty and our parents signed permission slips. We killed our chickens in the most humane way possible..." There is no humanity in deliberately killing an animal. This was a planned violent act, and since you are a vegetarian, and you did not plan to eat the chicken, than, you obviously killed for the joy of killing. Thank you for providing evidence as to why it is dangerous to provide this kind of heinous project for this age student. 11/12/09 - 08:55
I am utterly and completely shocked by this article and all involved. The educators who promoted this, the parents who allowed it, the children who carried it out, and the community that celebrated. 11/13/09 - 09:17
So you and the other "disgusted" people are just contract killers and pay for processed meats killed by someone else????? 11/12/09 - 08:10
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