not only is this hypothetical completely ludicrous but the very argument shows that you are someone willing to go to these extremes to prove a point. i don't for a second buy your last parenthetical remark as discounting your entire, well-detailed fantasy. the fact is, you may or may not support torture, but you live in a country where people are willing to put their asses on the line dying in the fields or spending the rest of their lives in prison. you're right, waterboarding is a sick torture. but so is getting so many holes blown in your body that you look like swiss cheese, so is having to tell thousands of american families that their husbands and fathers wont be coming home, so is watching a building collapse in front of your eyes with thousands of your co-workers and friends smoldering under the debris. maybe you should show a little thanks to the people who are trying everything possible to keep you safe. maybe you should stop and think about how these people probably suffer from the acts they have to preform in order to make sure that you don't not come home from work one day and you get to watch your kids grow up. you may rather die in the place of these people getting tortured and you may rather not have your kids grow up then have them turn the other cheek to these kind of occurrences, but in our free society its ludicrous to think that we are impervious to attack and in times of war when threats are frequenting phone lines like tele-market scams we can't go without some kind of intel. how else do you think information as serious as this can be obtained? there is no such thing as 007 in real life. we cant send an english speaking spy into their midst and have him destroy the missile seconds before it is due to launch. as of now, torturing a few well-informed scum sucker terrorists is as effective as intel is going to get. and you may be willing to sacrifice your family for these men, but can you ask that of your neighbor? what about their kids? what about their friends and the rest of your community?... the fact is as soon as one of those innocent people answers no, the act is justified.

i am not a conservative, and i am not "pro-torture." i believe women have the right to choose and i believe we should save the environment while its still around to save. but i also believe that i would do anything and everything possible to men who threaten the safety of my children.

Aw, gee whiz, get a sense of humor!

Hey Lib Boots,
Being pro-torture makes you the equivalent of a terrorist.
I can't believe any American thinks torture's okay!
Are you really an American???

Damn right I support the torturing, as well as crippling and maiming, of these scumbags who DECLARED WAR ON US

Damn right I support the torturing, as well as crippling and maiming, of these scumbags who DECLARED WAR ON US (or did you forget that fact?)

You support appeasement, you and your Soros-puppet Ayers-inspired "president" Barack Odinga.

BTW, these scumbags attacked us in part because they saw us as paper tigers. Think they'd be so brave (as Bowel Movement Bill Maher seems to think they are) if they knew that we'd drive them into the ground ten times faster than they did to our buildings?

But don't worry about these poor little innocent ragheads. With almighty democrats in control, the term paper tiger doesn't apply: because we're not tigers, and we can barely afford paper at this rate!

And what do you exactly think is going to happen to you? Think they're going to let you off the hook cause you rode the fence?

Lib Boots,
Get help.
ASAP!!!

Reply-boy, grow some gonads......ASAP

BTW, are any of these allegations in fact true?

Again, what are you on...besides hate?

Drug abuse can sure get ugly.
Hope you have health insurance and get the help you need!

Mental age: pre-pubescent 14, chronological age: 22, dropped out of vocational school and was disliked by your father. Now remember its all a dream

bad intel through torture to remove the worst torturer on the planet-hummm!

So the torturers illegally invaded Iraq to stop a torturer and do some torturing while they were there, all the while condemning torture?
If you say so.

Guess you forgot about all that WMD bull.....?

So our military are torturers? Right, tough guy?

Why don't you just call them murderers, like that traitor Jack Lard@$$ Murtha? Or make Pol Pot comparisons, like that loser Little Dick Durbin?

We all know how much your hero Bill Clinton admired the military, and same with Odinga. Why don't you just come out and say it?

BTW, "planetearth" (Earth Day was Lenin's birthday you know), if it's uncovered that Saddam and/or anyone of his lackeys had any connection whatsovever with OKC, then it's game on and there goes your stupid little "war crimes" droning.

He already tried to assassinate George H.W. Bush, while you dismissed it as personal vendetta let's not forget that was against THE 41ST POTUS. God knows how you libs would want some type of military action if anything happened to either Clinton or Carter.

The hell with 24, you libs remind of me of A Few Good Men: All you did was weaken a country today. That's all you did. You put people's lives in danger. Sweet dreams, son......................(Perfect because Tom Cruise's response makes you want to mutilate him)

I am wondering if stupidity comes natural to liberals of if its something you really have to work for. Are you kidding me? Americans don't torture? Our country has had one of the most violent histories of any spanning over the least amount of time. What would you have done if Bush hadn't done everything possible to get information and we had been attacked again? Do you forget that only one member of congress voted against declaring war? The President is nothing more than a figurehead. Congress let him send more and more funding to troops and continue to occupy Iraq for years without question. The problem is when things started going poorly and the country had licked its wounds after the attack, all of a sudden everyone pointed the finger at the Bush Administration and scoffed at their torture tactics. The fact is, we stopped a man from shooting his own people in a genocide that killed thousands of innocents. We did the same thing with Hitler and we were heros. Then we tried to bring aid to Vietnam and all of a sudden we were "world police," but in Rwanda people were shocked that we didn't get involved sooner! MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS ALREADY! You want to talk about morals? What about the moral responsibility we as a superpower have to protect not only our own citizens but the citizens of countries whose leaders are systematically slaughtering them? We cannot afford to have such a vulnerable, unexperienced president dealing with mass murders without pre-condition. Its like he is saying, "I'll just pretend you havn't been civilian hunting like its open season for the past five years because I'm sure you are deep down a good person who wants peace, love, and harmony." ARE YOU KIDDING??? I can only speak for my own sub-culture which is that of an 18 year old college student. I walk the halls of my University and these kids who put Obama in office can spout the slogans and wear the t-shirts but when it comes to the politics nobody knows a damn thing. I am sickened at how this celebrity figure that is Obama has reigned in the most unintelligent group of bandwagon jumping fools to march behind him in a race for idiocy. You cannot have a world power as strong as the United States and allow it to be unprotected from terrorist threats. After 9/11 the country joined together and supported Bush with screaming chants of approval when he said he would do everything in his power to ensure the safety of our country and prevent another attack. What did you think he meant by that? "I'll go have a chat with these guys and make them sign a paper saying they will never misbehave again?" Somebody get Obama a brain-trust of the best and the brightest like Kennedy had so he doesn't screw up royally. But make sure every one of them is a republican because surly it will take that many to counter his stupidity. I am so glad that his political platform includes alternate forms of energy and helping the environment because when we get bombed with nuclear missiles there will be a hell of a lot less of it and policies can be implemented for practically nothing!

He's in Pakistan. A sovereign nation that does not provide the U.S. unfettered access to hunt terrorists. Since it appears you do not read the news and are incredibly ignorant, you may not be aware that the Taliban has negotiated a truce with the current Pakistan government and has in the past few days taken control of territories only sixty miles from Islamabad. One more reason to turn up our efforts to uncover terrorist plots that may endanger us. Under Obama we will go back to the days of Clinton where the Taliban were able to establish the terrorist cells that lead to the death of 3000 innocent people. I own you!!

So why'd we invade Iraq?
To enrich Bushie's buddies?
You've got nothing...besides having voted for the worst President in the history.

Oops, pardon the typo...

Well, Mr. "torture is wrong!", we went into Iraq to stop one of the worst torturers ever known to man. You know, a guy named Saddam Hussein. I would think that, considering your super duper strong opposition to torture that you would have supported the invasion of Iraq. Of course, I guess you only want to stop torture of terrorists. I own you!

So the torturers illegally invaded Iraq to stop a torturer and do some torturing while they were there, all the while condemning torture?
If you say so.

Guess you forgot about all that WMD bull.....?

Standing by for another of your rationalizations...

So, at first I was all, "this guy's got a good point about facism", then i read some more and eventually came to the conclusion that you really have no idea what you're talking about.

Just own up to it, you're a racist. And I'd be happy to call that to your face anytime, tough guy.

And I'll just bet you would, internet tough guy..........

Mr. Fonner, you're clearly the bigger, better person here, but be careful, you're dealing with sad, scared, anonymous people who think torture's okay.
No telling what else they think is okay!

"you're dealing with sad, scared, anonymous people"

OK, "reply", lol.......................

Was shooting 3 Somali pirates in the head torture?

Yes, life is just like an episode of "24."

for some it is like 24 and if it is I give them the benefit of the doubt.

""Millions of Americans were tortured on 9/11?"
Clearly you don't know what constitutes torture.
Try again.

Notice, no Lib answers the question about their own kid being the one. Two wrongs don't make a right. Crap, tell that to the wife and kids of an executed Dad, Son, Marine. Your kid is going to be dead. The waterboarded terrorist will have a bad day.

And remember this too, bz, our use of torture not only creates more enemies, with greater resolve, it green-lights their use of torture ON OUR TROOPS!
There are a number of reasons it's a war crime.

turn off-

Oh, you mean besides putting a hood over their heads, pointing a gun and knives at them, and screaming that they are going to cut their heads off while they are being filmed? That kind of torture? And then, to finish it off, well, they cut their heads off. You are brilliant!

I don't think it creates more enemies. They don't play by our rules. I am all for the high ground if there is any sign that the enemy will be civil. The people we are fighting are not civil. Noone I have talked to that opposes torture answers that question. By the way, before you discuss it you have to draw the line between torture and interrogation.

For more effective torture, when you capture a suspected terrorist, also capture his wife/son/daughter and threaten to harm him/her in front of the suspect. I imagine the suspect will tell you whatever you want to hear. Hey, it's either an American or some brown-skin Muslim, right? Anything goes in that case.

I know you guys didn't take any logic classes in college, but didn't your parents ever tell you that "two wrongs don't make a right?"
By the way, after WWII we prosecuted Japanese soldiers who waterboarded our troops.
I guess that's because it's TORTURE!
Does the word "Inquisition" ring any bells?

Oh waaaa realamerican, would you be the Huckster Terry Bollea by any chance?

Two wrongs don't make a right, bla bla bla. Take the high ground, bla bla bla. Yeah both of those are a good way to wind up UNDER the high ground. Why should we trust blithering idiot PC leftists like you again when it comes to protecting the homeland?

Hell are you the same morons who drone on and on about how Bush knew about 911? OK what's he supposed to do to stop it if that's the case. You pansies (led by your hero Neville Chamberlain Obama) won't dare use physical force, AWOL Billy Boy taught us that.

What happens when this scum hits us again (and it's going to happen, cause Dumb Joe NOT Dick Cheney told us so)? Is Neville still gonna wanna talk?

Weak would be a compliment describing you chumps.

Hey Lib Boots,
Who's Terry Bollea?
Geez, this is the second time one of you guys thought you knew me...and you've both been wrong.
Must get old, huh?

JAS, you need help.

Thanks for the offer, if we all band together maybe we can get Pat from writing his repetitive articles.

Yeah I'm not sure about the whole tea bagging thing but i have to say i have seen better pieces of journalistic work from the 8th graders i mentor in remedial writing. Is there a structure to any argument in the entire article? I think banging keys on a piano was generous. More accurate would be spewing last nights dinner on a fly strip and pasting it into the newspaper. I mean I knew that newspapers were having some trouble and cutting back on expenses but I had not idea they had to fire everyone with functioning frontal lobes.

Yeah I'm not sure about the whole tea bagging thing but i have to say i have seen better pieces of journalistic work from the 8th graders i mentor in remedial writing. Is there a structure to any argument in the entire article? I think banging keys on a piano was generous. More accurate would be spewing last nights dinner on a fly strip and pasting it into the newspaper. I mean I knew that newspapers were having some trouble and cutting back on expenses but I had not idea they had to fire everyone with functioning frontal lobes.

Because of your learning disability? I'm sorry...

Sorry, Chris, torturing someone 6 times a day for a month isn't just illegal, it's sick.

You don't have a son in Iraq or Afghanistan.

One of my best friends called me from Afghanistan last Sunday.
Is that close enough for you?

What, you have bin laden or one of his scum lieutenants on speed dial or something?

Hey LWB,
Do have any friends or family over there...or anywhere?

Seriously--- If your friend called an said they were going to saw off his head and you had the power to waterboard a terrorist that knows where he is being held you would say no and let your friend die. Don't put me on your friend list.

No sorry, fakeamerican, I don't quite have as many friends as you, you know, like Keith Olbermann (loser), Chris Matthews (sissy), and the rest of the MSNBC/garbage liberal media dolts.

I'll bet you just have such fun with them nightly................