i am a cable tech i get around all over wood river area and have seen and reported manny grey wolves from the road side and have even spoted them in deidric ritch feild areas verry close to the residential sites this realy bothers me i think the grey wolf has its place yes but i think it is high time to do some serious dep hunting on this animal!!! idaho has allways had the wolf but you didnt see them you new they were there and thats how it should be lets thin the population back so we can onceagain enjoy larger elk populations remember when you try to force mother nature into somthing she often turns on you!!!!!

The canadian wolf species is not native to Idaho and it is being proven. The science of classifying wolves (taxonomy) dates back to the early and mid 1970s (Mech 1974). Those findings claimed that there were 32 taxonomic subspecies of grey wolfs around the world and here in North America, 24 subspecies.

Oddly enough, the scientific community, allthough seemingly agreeable that there are far fewer subspecies than this, has yet to formally adopt a different position. The Smithsonian Institution has a work of scholarship called " Physiological ( Morphological ) Basis for understanding a northern Rocky Mountain DPS" Distinct Population Segment. www.skinnymoose.com
It presents information that leaves to question whether the wolves reintroduced into Yellowstone National Park and Central Idaho regions were a good representation of the same wolves believed to have inhabited the same region many years ago.

In fact I watched wolves in Idaho in the 1960s 70s 80s and early 90s. While packing the Frank Church, and the Western side of the Sawtooth Wilderness area, unit 39, as well unit 34 South of the Church Wilderness near Red Mountain. I also raised a wolf from six weeks of age to 14 years of age.

It's time the truth of wolves was brought forth.. We want the correct species, and we want correct management for all species of Idaho's wild game...If the elk/deer collapse and they are, then the wolf collapses as well...if you love the wolf it's time to prove it...and stop with the denial and misinformation...your not hurting me, your hurting the wolf.

John,
Some of the Canadian biologists you ask about are:
John Gunson, Alberta Ministry of Enviornment.
Dr. Charles E. Kay PH.D British Colombia Ministry of Enviornment
Dr. Valerius Giest, Proffessor Emeritus, University of Calgary.

Dr.Giest came to Mcall Idaho in the 70's and gave Idahoens a realistic look into the future impactsof introducing the Canadian Grey Wolf to the lower 48 states. His main issue with the plan to release this "exotic" was one of mismatched predator to ecosystem. Let me quote him so you will understand the seriousness of his statement and now our great burden,"You do not have an ecosystem large enough in the lower 48 for this animal". Dr.Giest went on to show us how the Canadian Grey Wolf had impacted large ungulates in Canada. The typical wolf predation cycle in Canada if the Grey Wolf is not managed is a cycle typified by what Dr. Giest described as a localized extinction of ungulates provincial in size with a typical recovery of predator and prey base taking 50 to 90 years! Now that we have seen the Canadian Grey Wolf in action in Idaho we can see the accuracy of Dr. Giest's assesment.
John, I am quite sure you have not been on the ground where the sport killing has been taking place because I know you would have been sobered by the severity of the situation. My sons and I have ridden hundreds of miles horseback in the Frank Church and in the White Clouds and have viewed the devastation firsthand.
Let me inform you that most of the small herds of elk have been totally destroyed in the last ten years. The elk that we do see are remnants of different herds that have banded together for survival. It is quite common for backcountry pilots in our area to fly over small herds of elk in the evening at sundown and to fly over in the morning and find them all dead.
So the cycle that we are to expect from this exotic introduction will be what has been called a "Predator Pit". The severe predation will eventually impact the predator to utilize all available sources of protein and then the predator will succumb to starvation and the long cycle will start over. We have found to our dismay that the Canadian Grey Wolf does not kill the "sick and Old" but on the contrary will often target the largest bulls in the herd first, kill these then as many other cows and calves as they have energy to run down. This pattern is so common that if you talk to any outfitter in our area you will hear the same testimony.
In the areas that still have elk and deer it is now a countdown. That is the reason John that this is such a serious issue. The people of Idaho and really the whole West have mandated that their wildlife be mangaged for diversity and health. Several of our recovering species such as Woverine and Moose have also been severly impacted by the introduction of this exotic predator. The tragic issue of the native wolf is something you can contact me about if you are really interested. We are trying to locate 5 native wolves that were killed in the 80s that have been in cold storage so that some DNA analysis can be done. Also John I have compiled data on the wolf caused human deaths during the last two hundred plus years. I am happy to discuss these issues with you anytime.
Sincerely,

Tim Kemery

Wolves as a species are not endangered. This has all been an experiment paid for by our tax dollars.

We have enough wolves - they belong in the wilderness - not in our subdivisions.

The arm chair wolf advocates are dishonest with the public, they keep raising the bar on delisting. Now that DNA exchange has been proved, what excuse will they sue on next?

I wanna go backpackin where there are wolf packs as large as thirty wolves....cool.

Idaho is now at a critical jucture in the Canadian Grey Wolf Release Debacle. As we were informed by Canadian biolgists when the wolf introduction plan was first conceived, this subspecies of wolf would not be adaptable to our fragile ecosystems in the lower 48. What Canadian experts informed us would happen has happend. The greatest impact of the introduction of an exotic wolf is not what it kills to survive but the impact of its Sport Reflex Killing. The Canadian Grey Wolf has a capacity to take down large numbers of ungulates for two main reasons. It is a very large and efficient killer and the typical pack size is large. At present in the Challis Salmon area we have packs that are ranging from seven to ten individuals up to eighteen to thirty individuals. The impact of the sport reflex killing of these large packs is incredible and of course cannot be supported by the populations of deer and elk that we have. We are now at a point where the public must take action to inform our legislature of the true agenda of the Wolf Introduction plan, its attempt to have jurisdiction over the affected states, and the deceit of groups like Defenders of Wildlife who supported an unlawful release of an exotic subspecies to the destruction of recovering native wolf populations. I spent twenty years in both the Idaho Panhandle and in the Frank Church Wilderness area in close contact with gray wolves that were recovering on their own and in numbers that could be found and quantified if the effort was made. This tragedy must and will be made known to the citizens of the West so that this type of wildlife management disaster will not be repeated.
With the greatest urgency,
Tim Kemery. Challis Id.